the Deathknight and it´s talents

[gahndi]

Hello there people of Iron edge.

I´m Gahndi from the alliance side on dunemaul. I`m determined to play a deathknight in wotlk, but the reading i´ve done and looking on the talents won´t give me the info i need.

I posted in ur thread at dunemaul.org but it seems quite a lot of people just posts in there about for me unimportant stuff, and my post prolly will get lost somewhere.

anywho! I´m becoming a DK tank-type thingie...and what i can´t get right is how the DK tanking is done. What talents and abilities are used?...what specc is more efficient? i can´t make out what tree would be the "tanking-tree".

So did any of you play a tanking DK...if so what specc did u use? How was it, hard fun? Did it feel like u could do a good job? what did u really like? what did u feel was missing?

might come up with more questions but this will do for now. Sorry for breaking into ur forums or whatnot, but it feels like reading up on the internet only gives me so much information that i get more curious. Would like some firsthand info from someone who has done it.

so thx in advance and i´ll cya in a bit

/gahndi

[delling]

It's so hard to answer any of your questions before the talents and percentages are finalised.

Only this patch they got heavily nerfed -- their dps, their threat, their aoe, etc.

I think the plan was for each tree to have some tanking abilities... but I think Crazy could give you more tips.

[gahndi]

ye i realize it´s tricky...and i understand abilities and talents prolly will change a bit. But just wanted to get a clue about how it is. Just realized that DK´s maybe won´t be built for maintanking heavy stuff anyways but rather as an offtank option when needed. I´m looking to maintank stuff...but dunno if DK is ever gonna be able to then?

But plz send crazy my way when u see him then and maybe i can get some more info. Thx so far.

[delling]

Well we've tanked through most of the instances in WOTLK with a Deathknight.

Their AOE threat is (was?) insane, and their DPS also insane... so everything was very easy.

They are meant to be viable replacements for prot warriors, we assume, and blue posts suggest that too.

Will try to get Crazy to post somewhere...

[crazylock]

Death Knights, as of the current beta build, are completely horrible to play... as Delling mentioned, their DPS, threat and pretty much everything about them has been nerfed significantly.
Hard to hold aggro off most, if not all classes, I can't really provide any useful tips until this nerf has been changed.
However, I can say that I only play Blood when I want to DPS, and Frost when I want to tank, due to my preferred play styles for each tree, Unholy doesn't really appeal to me.

The main problem with DK tanking, is it's completely spikey... You have lots of "Oh Shit" abilities on very short cooldowns, with frost you have an 18 second shield wall on a 1minute CD, a 20 second armour and parry increase on a 1minute CD, and a 15 second -25% chance to be hit on a 3minute CD...
so for 20 seconds every minute, you take a large amount more damage than usual, which ofcourse will make healing quite a bit more difficult.

Other classes will need abilities to fill in this 20 second gap, such as rogues Dismantle etc...

There's a long way to go before Death Knights are finalised, considering they just drastically changed the entire mechanics of the Death Knight, and now nerfed them into dust, I can't really help you anymore past this.

Check back when you hear the next build being implemented

[gahndi]

so far very good information...thank you for this.

decided however this goes i will be a tank in wotlk...something new for me. just keeping my hopes up that the deathknight can mantle the role of a sturdy tank.

and like u said...i´ll check back when i see changes in the making.

thx /gahndi

[gahndi]

back again!

Seen some stuff going on with the builds. Also i realised i´ve seen pure tanking gear aimed for the DK, some set from naxx10 i reckon.

I would really like for them to be capable tanks in the end.

So what´s going on in the beta, are they finding som kinnda balance on the DK?

[gahndi]

I´m back again.

This time i´m looking for a sweet unholy lvling build...decided to go in a somewhat other direction where i´ll be tanking on my pally instead and bringing some pvp pain on a DK.

making it an alterego of my pally so it had to be unholy ofc 

i´m thinking something like this
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?deathknight=0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000230200333003115203120213133151

and then bark up the blood tree and possibly getting the extra armor in frost for extra AP boost...but dunno if that´s more worth then the 5% crit in bloood.

anyways plz fill in some blanks here if u plz...unholy seems worthwhile but as do blood...only what i heard unholy would render more DPS on ur way up. And dps is always fun 

thankful for any and all input

/gahndi

[Shannaro]

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?deathknight=0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000230200333003115203120213133151
i would go that spec as unholy

[gahndi]

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?deathknight=0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000230200333003115203120213133151
i would go that spec as unholy

Am i missing something or is that the exact same specc i posted above?

and why good sir would u specc this way? i wanna know all your secrets 

would like some feedback from people who played some DK in the beta if that´s possible...so send em this way.

/gahndi

[Shannaro]

what the fuck -.- i made a spec for myself in school and i guess it fucked up. Stupid school net. ill fix it later, atm im just REALLY hungry.

[Inphy]

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?deathknight=2300321503033013231051013500000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

I would level like that tbh. Massive HP regen from blood makes you have about no downtime, and still does enough dps to level quite fast.

The 51 point talent is a bit, well, there aren't many mobs that'll stay alive for longer then it's duration. And you won't be saving up all the runic power for it.