Mafia II - Story of the Iron Edge - Ship Deck

[Hugman]

Blackwhale is looking dodgey.

Don't jump to voting him yet, as I want more data from him.

CARE TO EXPLAIN YOURSELF BLACKWHALE?

Also incoming big post soon. You all need to be about to move votes before the lynch.

[Eetion]

someone nice just texted me that I had to vote to avoid modkill.

also. HEADSHOT!!!


##Vote: Blackwhale

Nice Headshot Graxlos:)! And No problem, wouldn't want to see you modkilled.

To save anyone undue thinking about his motives, I've asked Eetion to use Blackwhale as his placeholder vote for the time being.

As kawe said i have placed my vote on Blackwhale without much explaining behind - due to work and as of that i'm only able to follow the thread briefly. I will however try to follow as much so that if the Imperial forces needs my vote elsewhere i will be there to switch it.

[Eetion]

Very nice comeback Imperials keep up the steam, and them Rebels won't know whats hit 'em

[Archz]

Down at the pub, watching the game! Using my cellphone for this, I hope I get it right! The shiftey speculations was far fetched, discussed it with kawe. I do love my longshots
Unvote: Shiftey
[bVote: Blackwhale][/b]

[Hugman]

  Right. So two rebels dead within a short period. This is frikking excellent. Not only just the deaths, but the closeness, which allows us to compare their posting for similar support patterns, accusation patterns, and overly defensive patterns.

  Now I am not as proficient as empty at linking earlier posts, while keeping the thread shortish. So what I am gonna do is list a short summary of the points in both Yoica's and Dell's posts, and then compare similarities in who they supported, defended, and accused (or implied who was rebel). If you want to see the specific posts from these two that i am referencing, this is how you do it. You take this thread, and switch to viewing it in "print" mode (top right) and then press "ctrl + F" which brings up a tab. Put in "posts by:  yoica" exactly like that, and it highlights all of Yoica's posts, then just scroll down till you find the correct one i reference. The colors i use, are just to draw attention to similarities between dell and yoica.


First, Yoica:
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Yoica: 1st post: suggests either kawe or dell for Captain.
   2nd post: suggests Vdti for Captain.
   3rd post: nothing relevent
   4th post: backs up the logic in supporting kawe for Captain
   5th post: Defends Arches after I get vote for him early, based upon his stupidity.
The "logic" is "we know he is an idiot, so we should keep him in".
   6th post: supports mouse for captain, votes for kesh to be lynched.
   7th post: Thanks Empty for the data. Criticises Shiftey a bit. Reiterates that the best Captain choices are: Mouse, Vdti, Kawe and Shiftey.
8th post: gets defensive about shiftey claiming he is supporting delling (lol), reiterates that kawe is trustworthy.
9TH post: most of this post, just fogs stuff up, and then points fingers, no clear data/names.
   10th post: backs up mouse's captaincy claim. Points out Empty got elected "too easy".
   11th post: irrelivent.
   12th post: irrelivent.
   13th post: Accuses me, due to inactivity. Changes vote to me.
   14th post: States i have new job, therefore his vote on me is wrong.
   15TH post: unvotes me, votes kesh, as he was too silent after voting tronz.
   16th post: defends empty.
   17th post: defends dell, implies that kawe may not be legit (thats what i get from his disscussion on blues)
   18th post: defends delling abit, defends empty, accuses shiftey heavily.
   19th post: irrelivent.
   20th post: "trusts" kawe, but refuses to tell him data.
   21th post: Talks about a "inner circle, and it being bad" works hard to protect delling, and says taht using the day lynch on him would be silly, as we should just    

   wait to lynch him at night! (a idea echoed by chippen btw, after delling was killed by empty and proved as red!!!). Really dumb, as "waiting" to lynch a basically    

   known rebel, rather then just day lynch him, which would only just buy the rebels time to sway it away from dell, and delay the data we got from killing dell.
   22th post: mainly is posting about the "dangers" of giving kawe, a known blue, data. Bad.
   23th post: irrelivent.
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Now delling:

[spoiler]
Delling: 1st post:irellivent.
   2nd post:defends kawe a bit.
   3rd post: suggests himself for captain, says shiftey
would make a bad one.
   4th irellivent.
   5th irellivent.
   6TH irellivent.
   
   at this point i realise dell has like 456456 posts, and 456448 of them are irrelivent to this comparison, so i am just gonna list the ones i find relevent. I will keep

   them in some sort of chronological order though.This will make it harder to scroll to the exact one, I am sorry. Blame dell, he runs his mouth when he is planning to    

   stab you in the back with poison.
   
   "True... and Kawe could be using the fact that no one would believe he's Maffia/Rebel two games in a row..." points at kawe.
   Accuses chippen.
   
   "I don't think I've even said Yoica's name yet, have I? He only just made his first post!" Gets defensive about kesh pointing that him and yoica are close.
   
   "I don't get this -- when did I defend Yoica?" Again.

   worries about kawe being Captain, suggests a "puppet".
   
   Supports vdti.

   Suggests himself or vdti.

   "I wouldn't be opposed to Mouse being captain(ess), either." Suggests mouse for captain.

   Suggests Hugman and Shiftey have some logic in going for a lynch on kawe/arches.

   Points out again arch would be good to lynch.
   
   "omgaaaa, Archz is one of those... special-when-dead roles!" suggests arches is "A SPECIAL GREEN" and implies it would be bad to lynch him.#
   
   Votes for Arches, suggests again mouse would be good for captain.
   
   Supports shiftey a bit (likely to help spread confusion)

   Blurs the kesh/kawe is guilty line a bit.

   Suggests kesh or arch for lynching.

   defends mouse.

   votes for kawe, supports himself.

   supports mouse a bit.

   switches to empty for captain.

   "If I had to cast my own independent vote, I would vote for Ino, Tronz or Intrinsic, because they've been almost completely useless." introduces these 3 as possible    

   lynches.

   defends mouse and empty.

   At this point he starts to get very defensive.

   accuses intrinsic implying he is either useless, or rebel, also implies tronz
   
   more implying intrinsic is useless.

   now implies tronz is innocent.

   imlies that he didnt "frame intrinsic" and that Tyler pushed him into it.

   from this point on, all his posts are either: accusing shiftey or eetion, and spending a lot of time defending himself.

[/spoiler]

Urgh. That was messy as fuck, but it was 500% harder for me to make it than you read it.

My basic conclusions are these:

Both Delling and Yoica did various things the same:

1. The both got defensive when they were accused of being close.

2. Both spent a bit of time, either defending mouse, or pushing her forward for captaincy.

3. Also spend some time pushing Empty for Captaincy, and keeping him alive once he was (either because he is rebel, or because he was easy to manipulate, as a captain [imo the latter])

4. Both of them defended Archz, when I went for the early lynch on him. One used the logic "he is an idiot, therefore not rebel, keep him in" and the other used "he is likely to be special green, keep him in".

5. Both of them spent some time accusing shiftey/ridiculing his posts.


I draw from this, these conclusions:

1. Mouse is likely rebel.
2. Empty is either rebel, or worth them keeping in, to help green lynch.
3. Shiftey is very likely green.
4. Archz is very likely rebel.

  Now i was running out of time, to do this post, and I fucked up a bit on the presentation, so it doesn't really communicate as well as i would have liked. But the basic idea is, they were both rebels, and they both did certain actions with a similar goal. It may be easier for you to look back at their posts, youself, and come to your own conclusions, and i recommend you do so. I don't have much time left, and this is the best i could do with this little time.

TL DR:

Both Yoica and Dell were rebels. Both of them in some way or another supported, or defended:

Arch.
Mouse.
Empty.

and attacked Shiftey.

Imo the former are likely reds, and the latter is very likely green.

[Archz]

Whore this touchscreen is not easy to handle with a few pinys in me
Vote: Blackwhale

[shankski]

Nice job hug awesome colours too =D

Haven't trusted Emptyy from the start something seems dodgey about how he was elected captain. Hence:

##Vote: Emptyy


arch you missed the hashes you nab

[Archz]

I don't really see your logic there, huggie. Can't be sure about yoica but delling certainly didn't defend me? :-P wasn't it more like "he's an idiot, let's kill him"? And you bring out about the others that they were very defensive? Do I fit that description? :-P

[Veilas]

Shoot: Mouseh
Badass line: It's time to kickass and chew bubble gum im all out of gum!
(if i'm wrong sorry)

[Veilas]

##Shoot: Mouseh

[Hugman]

I don't really see your logic there, huggie. Can't be sure about yoica but delling certainly didn't defend me? :-P wasn't it more like "he's an idiot, let's kill him"? And you bring out about the others that they were very defensive? Do I fit that description? :-P

Yeah he did that archz, AT FIRST.

Then, you "gave up" and then he IMPLIED that you were a special green.

And suddenly the heat was off you, and you shut up, and have shut up since.

Reeks of a rebel barely saved, and then told to shut up by rebel concil

[Palmar]

Mouseh the Rebel Assassin has been killed

[Hugman]

FUCK YEAH SEAKING!

[Hugman]

You really should have killed me night 1.

Poison is too slow.

[Grishnag]

OH WOW

OH WOW THIS IS A GLORIOUS DAY FOR THE EMPIRE