Mafia III - World War III

[Daekesh]

Well, no.  I'm saying that any non-axis country that reveals itself to be a nuke wielder irl is a good target.  Obviously such a country in the axis is not a good target for them...

Does this imply that people who revealed themselves to be nuke-wielding countries are more likely to be in the axis? /ponder

[Abyiss]

My Governement was mearly absent from the days events due to internal issues (RL-work) in our state.

I am very much a part of this issue Shifty, and want to find the true culprit(s) of the South Korean massacrer as much as the next world leader.

And our country is still morning over the loss of Japan.

[Blackwhale]

The one who got hugman to run away into space is a country with a night action. This probably means its a country that is likely to have nukes aswell. Or dont have nukes but got other nasty perks. This makes all the people that havn't said what country they are suspicious (yes i know im one of them). As shifty said before kendoki have played well in maffia games before and if he's a country like US and a part of the axis ontop of that. This would be bad news for the world.

A vote to get him out in the sunlight so i can have a proper look at him.

##Vote: Kendoki

[Daekesh]

How do you know it was a country with a night action?  The axis has a nightly kill.  One person "died" at night.  Highly likely that it was them than killed him, wouldn't you say?

[Blackwhale]

Perhaps my english skills failed to explain what i ment kesh. I think that the reason hugman is no longer with us is because the axis used their night kill. I then assumed that the country of the axis that had the night kill got other things aswell. To balance the game i think its safe to assume that the axis got nukes aswell and if so one of the countries with nukes (france, US and russia) are with the axis.

[Daekesh]

..What?  As far as I know the 'night kill' isn't a country-based action, it's just an action taken by the axis.  It's not given to any country specifically.  In every other mafia game the 'godfather' only had to assign somebody to do it.  The person that usually did the killing in previous mafia games was the generic mobster, with no other special abilities.

You see to 'assume' far too much is different from last game.  And, considering you were already on my watch list:

##Unvote: Arches
##Vote: Blackwhale

[Eetion]

Perhaps my english skills failed to explain what i ment kesh. I think that the reason hugman is no longer with us is because the axis used their night kill. I then assumed that the country of the axis that had the night kill got other things aswell. To balance the game i think its safe to assume that the axis got nukes aswell and if so one of the countries with nukes (france, US and russia) are with the axis.

There is absolutely no reason to assume that the country has to have nukes in real life. If so you must take into account that this game takes place in 2028 and any country by then could have gotten nuclear missiles and other neet stuff.

[Blackwhale]

If i was maffia i think i would know how the night killing worked kesh, as i dont know this i think my lack of knowledge puts me in the green zone. I've never played maffia so i missed out on the neat PMs from mods.

I think you're green but it will be interesting to see who sees this as a good opportunity to kill of another green.

[Eetion]

I can see why you might get suspicious of me, from my rambling about my Aids, but it happens to be my faith and burden to carry.

It's getting worse...

I've had a bit of reading to do after my not so great start in this game, and it seems alot of you think i am a snoozing evil guy who lurks under a carpet of Aids..

But however I think the UN should be looking at:

Blackwhale
 - Mainly because of his reasent post about assuming countries with nukes irl has to be within axis of evil.

Vorte
 - Like myself havnt said much, and i know i shouldnt toss rocks when i live in a glass house, but i think he should be considered.

Archz
 - I agree with Hugman in many games that Archz isnt the ideal person to keep for long-term games, way to inconcsistent and has an immense "random factor" in him.


Sintrael
 - He seemed to have alot of interest in getting Kagemoth out, assumed that he had nukes as Japan.

This is all just some initial people i've looked a bit upon, but it is limited what time i can spare duo to the family issue at this point.

[Yoica]

Blackwhale, unlike the previous 2 games we don't know what all the abilities are, but we can assume Mafia/conspirators get a night kill each night. Otherwise it would be near impossible for them to win. They usually also have 1 or 2 one-time kills.

[Gaeios(Graxlos)]

Im trying to get a feeling for this game, but we have even less information than we are used to so its really difficult to conclude anything useful.

If there is a connection between country and abilites then it would be more important for the axis to know since it would tell who to target. If the country is connected to your allegiance it would be more important for us to know since it would help us decide who to lynch.

Personally I declared my country because I saw no clear connection to either and since the ball was rolling, I didn't want to seem suspicious. It would be fun with a mafiagame where all posts were made as RP reprenting different countries, I thought this might have been the point with the countries giving us some RP background.

As stated in all earlier games its very dangerous basing anything on the first lynch if its unsuccesful. You have nothing to go on and is most likely to fail and you have a handful of players that want to hit the wrong target.

Tyler was very quick with his TTaM accusations, but not out of character compared to his earlier games, so even though I think most people agree that ttam is innocent I dont think we can conclude him as mafia.

Vorte was one of the few people that "completely agreed" with Tyler, which was a game he played when playing ninja last game, makes Vorte seem more suspicious than Tyler imo.

Shiftey started a pretty meaningless vote on Kendoki based on lack of posting I think, but I agreed with him that voting for abyiss who is a total noob would be a waste.

Hugman joined the anti declaring club and suspected everyone wanting to declare countries and then choose to vote for Archz who was the second player to declare country. So in his mind (and hugman has been killed) 
these are prime suspects:
Grish started the wave, Archz was second, Yoica followed up with an indication (hard to determine the reasons behind him ony indicating his nation),then Vdti, Eetion as ZA
This is where tyler and hugman starts to discuss wether declaring is a good idea.

Then TTaM declares North korea , Kagemoth declares Japan, Shiftey accuses china and declares UK.

Shiftey then continues to suggest that the rest declares their countries he is supported by Surim.

Graxlos declares China and is followed by Sintrael claiming to be a country that likes Curry, Vorte follows by declaring a country that likes spicy food.


This means that more than half the players have revealed or lied about their countries.
Should we look for the mafia in the early revealers, the late revealers? or the non revealers?

In hindsight I would probably not have revealed my country but I think it atleast adds something to theorize about, without the countries we would have nothing to go on.

I think blackwhale is way off but Im not sure that makes him mafia, I dont really see any evidence against kendoki either. I think my main candidates right now are Archz, Vorte(perhaps failed state again but what are the odds) and Abyiss for not really participating /acting weird.

[Vorte]

What I completely agreed with Tyler on was that revealing what countries we are had not yet been given a good reason for, which I still stand by. Don't go all word-twisty on me!

I find it rather hard to make use of what investigative nations have learned with the whole "talk only in the thread" part of this game.. is there a "safe" way of getting information out?

Lame I know, but I've been away from computers and\or drunk the last two days, thus my poor post-count, I'll be stepping it up. Right now, without any real new information other than that Hugman is at loss of gravity, what can we deduce? I fear we're set for a whole lot of wifom.. Are you making a voting thingamabob btw, Starbrow? Like you did in the last game?

[Gaeios(Graxlos)]

I see you are all piling in to reveal your countries. I still haven't seen any good reason to do so. Does it not just help the scum to pick their target?

I do need to vote though as I am out on the piss tonight. North Korea has to be a great choice for our inital target right? I mean who in their right mind would claim that one? If you are scum, good guy or rogue, hihi attention.

##Vote: TTaM

While I completely agree with you, Tyler, did you factor in that people can lie as much as they want regarding what country they are?

Sorry I didnt mean to twist your words but it was not obvious which part you completely agreed with.
I mean if you thought TTaM was lying would you really think he was town?

[Vorte]

My bad, what I meant by that was not related to whether or not TTaM was telling the truth, just that just because someone says they are a country doesn't mean they are.

Like you, I'm still trying to really grip this game. I suppose it is entirely possible that someone blue\green could lie about their nationality to hide something "bigger", like whether or not they have nukes or whatever, but picking North Korea as a cover doesn't seem sane at all.

[Tyler]

So Kage was innocent, quelle surprise. As Yoica pointed out there are bound to be some scum in the people who voted for him: Grax, Grish, TTaM, Kendoki, Sintrael.

Here is TTaM on why he wanted to vote for Kage. No reasoning to be hung with afterwards, just "I don't want to vote Abyiss".

Definitely think more votes for Abyiss at this point is a bit pointless then.

I'm just going to vote for Kagemoth instead.

##Vote: Kagemoth

Kage even noticed it himself on the next line.

Random or predetermined. Are you trying to make yourself look more neutral , it sure looks that way to me.

Personally I don't see any reason to switch away from TTaM. I'm not going to wall of text it, but nothing he has posted makes him look like he is scum hunting to me. I find Grax's assertion that "most people think he is innocent" quite entertaining too.

The idea that he is innocent because scum would not claim NK is silly. No one in their right mind would claim NK, scum or not. So it cannot be used as proof of innocence. My guess was that he misunderstood the "life-like abilities" part.

##Vote: TTaM

P.S. If someone could do one of those "who voted for whom and when" spreadsheets that would be grand.